High-Tech Bubble Valuation? I'm Not So Sure (2024)

David Kotok

Summary

  • The financial press is replete with comparisons to the dot-com bubble of 1999–2000.
  • Some say that the Cisco split marked the top of the dot-com bubble. And they allege that the Nvidia split is doing the same.
  • The other problem with the dot-com bubble is that there were many, many companies that had no earnings. They traded at what I called the price/fantasy ratio.

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While respectful citizens observed D-Day commemorations, 80 years on, another invasion occurred on June 6th of this year. Barron’s summarized it like this:

Microsoft (MSFT), Apple (AAPL) and Nvidia (NVDA) are each worth a little more than $3 trillion. Nvidia’s market capitalization edged past that milestone on Thursday afternoon for the first time. As a result, this trio now makes up more than 20% of the entire $44.4 trillion market value of the S&P 500.

What does it mean when 20% of the $45 trillion total market cap of the S&P 500 Index is found in these three stocks? Please note that the top ten stocks are now 35%. Also note the discussion of Matt McAleer about cap weight (SPY) versus equal weight (RSP).

The financial press is replete with comparisons to the dot-com bubble of 1999–2000. Readers can find comparative comments about Nvidia’s stock split and the Cisco (CSCO) stock split of a quarter-century ago.

Some say that the Cisco split marked the top of the dot-com bubble. And they allege that the Nvidia split is doing the same. Maybe, but maybe not. Here’s why I say that.

I recall the dot-com bubble from personal experience. I guess that is the benefit of being an “old guy” who still has some (at least?) of his memory functioning.

I recently listened to a 40-year-old so-called “expert pundit” hold forth about the current market valuation, and I thought to myself, “He was 15 years old. He has no idea what it was like to manage money then.”

He has no idea what it was like to get fired by a client who owned 6 tech stocks and nothing else, and the client argued that he was diversified. And he had no idea what it was like to advise a client to hold a position to balance risk by owning a few 6% tax-free bonds (1999-2000). He was 15. Yup, the kid was 15!

Between 1999 and 2000, the combined market value of Cisco and Microsoft reached approximately $920 billion. The combined companies had earnings of $10 billion. That was a price/earnings multiple of around 92.

Please note that at the time, if you totaled up the GDP of the countries of the entire world, the number was an estimated $30 trillion. That’s right, $30T for the entire world’s gross product and $920 billion of market cap for just two companies who earned $10B from that total world output.

Then, the problem was not with the two companies. Microsoft and Cisco were stellar enterprises with powerful balance sheets and growing revenues and income. The problem was the stock prices. 92 times earnings is simply an extraordinary price for anything that is a large cap.

The other problem with the dot-com bubble is that there were many, many companies that had no earnings. They traded at what I called the price/fantasy ratio. They were collectively valued in the single-digit trillions. No earnings and only possible prospects that were not realized and may never had been realized. So, fantasy is the word I chose to reflect that.

Is this time different? Those are the most dangerous words in the investing lexicon.

Here’s what is different. The three stocks at the top of the Barron’s list are all making money. The companies have had earnings growth for several years. They have had revenue growth for several years. The revenue growth is higher than the earnings growth.

Readers are advised to independently check what I have said and determine the valuation for yourself. And the tax-free bond is paying 4% (still good, IMO) and not 6%.

Earnings growing. Revenues growing faster than earnings. Great fortress-like balance sheets without debt burdens and without balance sheet sensitivity to changes in interest rates. Worldwide franchises.

Whether that is worth $3T each or more is up to the investor. At Cumberland, we have exposure to the S&P 500 Index, and that means 20% of that exposure is in these three companies.

Disclosure: I own SPY and I own tax-free Munis in my personal accounts.

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David Kotok

David Kotok co-founded Cumberland Advisors in 1973 and has been its Chief Investment Officer since inception. David’s articles and financial market commentaries have appeared in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Barron’s, and other publications. He is a frequent contributor to Bloomberg TV and Bloomberg Radio, Yahoo Finance TV, and other media. He has authored or co-authored four books, including the second edition of From Bear to Bull with ETFs and Adventures in Muniland. He holds a B.S. in economics from The Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, an M.S. in organizational dynamics from The School of Arts and Sciences at the University of Pennsylvania, and an M.A. in philosophy from the University of Pennsylvania.David has served as Program Chairman and currently serves as a Director of the Global Interdependence Center (GIC), www.interdependence.org, whose mission is to encourage the expansion of global dialogue and free trade in order to improve cooperation and understanding among nation states, with the goal of reducing international conflicts and improving worldwide living standards. David chaired its Central Banking Series and organized a five-continent dialogue held in Cape Town, Hong Kong, Hanoi, Milan, Paris, Philadelphia, Prague, Rome, Santiago, Shanghai, Singapore, Tallinn, and Zambia (Livingstone). He has received the Global Citizen Award from GIC for his efforts. David is a member of the National Business Economics Issues Council (NBEIC), the National Association for Business Economics (NABE), has served on the Research Advisory Board of BCA Research and is currently on the advisory board of RiskBridge Advisors. He has also served as a Commissioner of the Delaware River Port Authority (DRPA) and on the Treasury Transition Teams for New Jersey Governors Kean and Whitman. Additionally, he has served as a board member of the New Jersey Economic Development Authority and as Chairman of the New Jersey Casino Reinvestment Development Authority.

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